In Conversation: Episode 3: What Is Use of Self? Thursday 8 May 2025

In this episode of the In Conversation Podcast, David Gurteen and John Hovell dive deep into the concept of “use of self,” a foundational idea from Gestalt psychotherapy that has influenced organizational development (OD). They explore how the self—understood as a conscious, embodied, emotional, and cognitive instrument—can be intentionally applied in professional and conversational settings.

John explains how this concept evolved into a framework for OD practitioners to be more self-aware and effective, not as detached observers, but as participants within group dynamics. They discuss a nine-cluster model identifying different dimensions of self-awareness, including cognitive, emotional, and behavioral aspects, and the importance of continuous self-work.

Together, they reflect on how this applies to conversational leadership: being present, aware of roles and context, and making intentional choices. The conversation emphasizes awareness, impact, and the complexity of real-time interactions, challenging listeners to show up fully and authentically in every exchange.